Dutch citizen Filip Lai (left) and Singapore Nor Azhar rescued drowning people and received public spiritness awards yesterday from LieutenantColonel Yong Meng Wah of the SCDF. -- ST PHOTO: NG SOR LUAN
Feb 19, 2009
You're a hero
Donor hands over the money to SGH to say thanks to man who saved drowning woman
By Judith Tan
SEVERAL readers of The Straits Times came forward yesterday and offered to
pick up the treatment tab for a good Samaritan injured while saving a
drowning woman.
More than 10 people offered to reimburse Mr Filip Lou's $90 bill after
reading in The Straits Times yesterday that the Singapore General Hospital
(SGH) would not waive the charges.
They were beaten to it by an unidentified man, who turned up at the
hospital early yesterday morning and handed over cash to cover Mr Lou's
bill.
Mr Lou, 34, a Dutch IT executive here for a conference, had jumped into the
Singapore River on Monday night to rescue a woman who had fallen into the
water.
While pulling her out, he cut his hands and feet on the sharp stone steps
along the water's edge. He was brought to the hospital, along with the
woman, by the Singapore Civil Defence Force (SCDF), where his wounds were
cleaned and he was given a tetanus shot - and then presented with the bill.
Yesterday, Mr Lou received a call from the hospital, asking him to return
to collect his money.
Initially, he thought SGH had gone back on its earlier insistence that he
pay the bill.
But when his wife, Ms Theresa Lee, arrived at the hospital to get the cash
in the afternoon, she was told what had happened.
Contacted yesterday evening, Mr Lou said he was rendered speechless by the
generosity of Singaporeans.
He said he understood SGH's policy, saying that there was a service
performed, after all.
But, he added: 'What there should be is a policy looking into treating
someone who got hurt trying to save another.
'Mine was a small injury. What if it had been a broken leg or dislocated
joint?' he asked.
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COMMENTS
Eagle2004
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 07:18 PM
I believe that ST, by reporting this incident, will help Filip Lou get his
$90 treatment fee at SGH reimbursed or waived. The cost of Mr Lou's visit,
proves that a restructured hospital's outpatient fees are not as cheap as
the public perceives it to be.
some_cynic
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 08:00 PM
Your action is commendable, Mr Lou. But my greater concern is will our
Polis -- sorry, Police -- charge that ang moh woman Annika for attempting
suicide? Yes, folks, it is a frigging *offence* to commit suicide, just
take a look at our Penal Code.
If our Polis does not discriminate between Singaporeans and ang mohs, I
beseech them to publish the news that Annika be shamed and made an example
of. Suka-suka come to people's country and want to jump down? First these
ang mohs come here and steal our job, and take up our space. And now, they
also want to commit suicide?
Nabei.
some_cynic
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 08:02 PM
"'I think she said her name was Annika and that her boyfriend had just
broken off their relationship. She said she had nothing else to live for. I
tried to counsel her while floating in the cold dark waters until the
rescue team arrived,' he said."
Why, the boyfriend goes for a local SPG slut issit? Ooh, my sympathies,
Annika. Not.
NonaSings
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 09:46 PM
Red tapes even in hospital? Man! The last place to have red tapes should be
hospitals! I hope the STPB or some ministries will look into this matter
and at least this guy deserves a commendable treatment for saving a life,
eventho it is not a Singaporean!! Not anyone could risk his or her own life
to save another!
Thank you Mr, Lou for your kind spirit!
nicholaskoh222
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 10:24 PM
thats a real shame to Singapore. a tourist saving a tourist...and having to
pay with his injuries, and yet slapped with the fees at the hospital.
Surely, the public relations at the hospital should have done his checks
and verify this with the police....and seek to show the graciousness form a
Singapore perspective. The tourism department should honor the Dutchman for
putting Singapore on the map for saving a tourist...and reward his gallant
behaviour which was timely, and something for many of us to
learn....courageous attitude in saving a person, regardless of race,
language or religion.
nicholaskoh222
ArtoroAli
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 10:25 PM
It is not cheap or dear, not the question and also not the answer. It is
the principle of charging for service of an emergency, essential service,
charity for life.........a policy in our society. Do not make others laugh
at us in such simple decision at the register desk in a Govt Hospital. The
one on duty should have the power to decide or confirm the submission for
waiver......or else he should claim damages for duty done to save life.
ArtoroAli
ArtoroAli
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 10:31 PM
This is not the first time in S'pore to encounter such kind of decision of
uncertainty, so the front desk people must be well trained to take power
into their own hand in such decision and must be backed by the Controller
of Service.
ArtoroAli
ct2ctasingapore
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 10:32 PM
The hospital spokeperson should realise that a bureucratic response is not
what is needed here. Surely, one is expected to exercise some common sense
to seek a waiver of the fee on behalf of the patient from the higher
authority.
ct2ctasingapore
pingpong1976
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 10:33 PM
This is ridiculous! Such mercenary policies of the hospitals - our health
care system - prove only one thing. If the fundamental needs of a society
have to be calculated so meticulously and so profit-driven, This is a
society with no heart, no compassion. Not the aged, not the sick, not even
the heroics. This is such a shame!
Mr Lou - you are a hero and it's such a shame that you have to experience
this in our country. I love my country but sometimes, the dark forces
prevail.
monkeebizness
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 11:07 PM
Hmmm...DARNED! Anyway, what the heck!
monkeebizness
prispoh50
February 17, 2009 Tuesday, 11:25 PM
Agree with all the comments here that hospital should waive the $90 from
Mr. Lou.
Medical code requires a doctor to drop everything in his busy clinic and
immediately rush to the person who was unfortunately involved with, eg. a
car accident nearby the doctor's clinic.
Mr. Lou had risked his life to save another person, the rightful thing for
the hospital to do is to waive the medical charges from Mr. Lou.
prispoh50
hotwoks
Yesterday, 12:09 AM
This is the way things are run here. It sounds shameful after reading the
article, that the hospital is not able to waive the fee for a kind act of
saving a life. I think people should not fault the hospital, all fees have
to be paid first regardless of the circumstances upon discharge. Pay first,
reimbursement comes later. Policy is that as long as there is an attendance
to the A&E, fees are payable.
Now that story have been brought to the media, some kind soul or relevant
authorities like the Police or STB should act by reimbursing the hero for
the fees he paid. Something has to be done here, now that the story came to
light so as not to leave behind a bad after taste. Red tapes, rules and
regulations do not have flexibility mechanism to take into account
extraordinary circumstance like this.
hotwoks
thepeakaboo
Yesterday, 01:25 AM
If a hospital has to charge, then it has to charge. The true answer still
needs to be relayed to their customer even if he is a hero. Which I agree
he is.
There's no need to blow thing thing out of proportion by escalating to
higher authorities and such. Then the focus will shift and I feel it
somehow belittles his act of courage.
As Singaporeans, we can still do something. The hospital's in Singapore,
it's still OUR hospital, we can take ownership of this situation, as
citizens, by offering Mr Lou our own 90 dollars to pay for his medication.
Anyway it's just an idea, just throwing something out there other than
complaining about yet again how rigid some rules in this country are. Then
maybe life will not be all about complaints.
thepeakaboo
monkeypeach
Yesterday, 04:45 AM
This is typical Singapore where $$ is more important than kindness and
heroism. To me, it is just a reflection of the Sing-culture. Quite sad
really.
monkeypeach
aaron_hee
Yesterday, 06:40 AM
I believe its rather the case of the nurse at the counter wasn't train (or
perhaps given the authority) to handle such situation. However, I believe
if she is sensitive enough perhaps she can refer the case to her superior.
Any workers in the medical line should be in some ways be mindful of the
sensitiveness of the people they may faced everyday. I hope authorities can
look into giving the proper training into that.
aaron_hee
Angelina_Jo
Yesterday, 06:56 AM
Lots of programmed robots around. Please use real humans at hospitals! At
least they have sensitivity and common sense.
I wonder if Filip Lou's friends who were with him were Sporeans. It would
have been great if the hero had been a Sporean, however Sporeans know too
well that everything in Spore comes with a price and nothing is cheap.
Can't believe it, $90 for cleaning up & putting bandage or maybe plasters.
Would those guys brandishing their bravery for taking up arms to protect
Spore jump into the dark river that night, to save a stranger's life? Just
wondering.
Angelina_Jo
Angelina_Jo
Yesterday, 06:58 AM
Not only do I find Filip's heroic action commendable but his after thoughts
too. He said he was disappointed with the $90 but would he do it again?
YES! this time with the knowledge that he has to pay the $90.
Angelina_Jo
Angelina_Jo
Yesterday, 07:03 AM
If Spore can afford to lose tens of billions of dollars and still boast
that it did not deplete the reserve, can the Govt please refund the $90
back to Filip.
Angelina_Jo
icaa1111
Yesterday, 07:18 AM
Could SCDF foot the $90 bill when presenting the award, please? Lets do the
right thing. Let us reward timely help, and encourage this type of helpful
behaviour.
If the SCDF cannot pay, I will pay the bill.
S.Ilango
physics_ec@yahoo.com
gardener
Yesterday, 08:33 AM
I won't blame the nurse but I will fire the spokesperson. Instead of
grabbing this opportunity to boost the hospital's reputation, he has
created a PR mess by not making the effort to get the $90 waived. I'm sure
if he tried hard enough some higher-up in the hospital could have given
approval for the fee to be refunded.
gardener
bumibumi
Yesterday, 08:39 AM
it is typical everyone's problem but not my problem and everyone think
someone else will solve it
can i have the contact ? i will reimburse him the $90!
bumibumi
mraverage
Yesterday, 08:42 AM
It's a shame - but that is the whole trouble with the Singapore system...it
starts from Primary One
Whether it is SGH, banks, CPF, HDB, ICA, etc...
people are not EMPOWERED to take initiative and make on-the-spot decisions
all play it by the book...no one dares to stick his neck out
There you go...Singapore
mraverage
loh_ricky
Yesterday, 09:04 AM
if garmen dont refund, give me your address.
loh_ricky
mraverage
Yesterday, 09:11 AM
BTW did you readers pick up what the Dutchman said? he was more concerned
being photographed in his underwear.
Why do you think he felt that?
Those who say the naked body is beautiful, wait till their daughter walks
down Holland V naked with an ang mo...then we see whether they will
applaud...goondoo
mraverage
mordecai1968
Yesterday, 09:29 AM
well done well done
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golden88
Yesterday, 09:31 AM
Well, Mr. Lou is indeed a hero and I am thankful that the authority did not
charge him for "stripping" to his underwear in public ......
And.... did this "silly" sl ....h.. volunteers to split cost with you?
Anyway .... well done, Mr. Lou, I am pretty sure SGH will get in touch with
you real soon to write that S$90/- off.
golden88
addicted2tehhalia
Yesterday, 09:37 AM
This is a classic example of some establishments not being able to do
things on a case-by-case basis and exercise flexibility. It's just $90, but
a show of flexibility would do the hospital's name a lot of good - and this
was a tourist.
addicted2tehhalia
asiaslider
Yesterday, 09:59 AM
This is what makes Singapore ...well...Singapore..the almighty dollar and
no concern for acts of human kindness of heroism......this nis a disgrace
and when people ask about graciousness in this country this is the ebst
example fo how screwed up this place is!!!
asiaslider
asiaslider
Yesterday, 10:00 AM
And no word if the woman he saved is a Singaporean..next time I suggest
that all tourists not lend a hand..would it have been better to let her
drown..........
asiaslider
Yesterday, 10:02 AM
If he wants the 90 bukcs I will pay him seeing as know writer here has
offered..
asiaslider
asiaslider
Yesterday, 10:04 AM
Regarding spoekspeople in SIngapore..this is an oxymoron....they are TOLD
what to say every word and can say nothing until management/government have
thrown in their two cents worth whcih ususally means like in this case they
make a mess of most everything..rememebr the MAS escape..could say nothing
for hours ..must get all input to protect system and senior people....this
hospital spokesperson is a drone and shud just slink away..they will never
be effective again ..if they ever were
asiaslider
yylee111
Yesterday, 10:28 AM
I do not understand why this article attracts such varied comments. Some of
them posted here are even more ludicrious than the puported medical fees
charged to the fine gentleman. And clearly the lady was in distraught.
Before anything can be ascertain, I suppose the fee has to be charged to Mr
Chou first, lest everyone comes in and claims an heroic act and gets away
with free medical consultation and presriptions.
yylee111
asiaslider
Yesterday, 10:37 AM
yylee111...the guy was brot in my Sing Ambulance and I asume the guys
driving the ambulance can speak and therefore tell the story....you are
typical of the "must gather all the facts " mentality here that ends up
doing nothing or something too late and calling it decisive action
asiaslider
gabtankee
Yesterday, 10:55 AM
This is an example of how robotic we Singaporeans have become. I wonder how
far up the hierachy ladder it need to go up to, to have the waivering of
the 90 dollars fee. Probably up to the Minister of Health.
gabtankee
bumibumi
Yesterday, 10:58 AM
well, he can also go over to JB for cheaper treatment, get what I mean ?
LOL !
but wait, what is his number ? I will pay him as I said earlier.
bumibumi
tpgoh2007
Yesterday, 11:00 AM
Come on, be fair. SGH is not a charity hospital. Its only to be fair to
charge at its prevailing rate. When comes into act like this, one could
hardly thought of post events like expenses at own detriment. Its human
behaviour that one would regret into impulse action with his aftermath
expenses.
Come to the expenses he had incurred, he should reimburse from the Embassy
of Annika's origin country. Afterall, Mr Lou has saved a native of that
country.
tpgoh2007
bumibumi
Yesterday, 11:12 AM
as a "gracious" host country, our MFA or MHA can also pick up the tab
aren't we spending millions$$$$ to attract tourists to come and spend money
? actions speak louder than words!
bumibumi
cantstandthem
Yesterday, 11:31 AM
"""aaron_hee
I believe its rather the case of the nurse at the counter wasn't train (or
perhaps given the authority) to handle such situation. However, I believe
if she is sensitive enough perhaps she can refer the case to her superior.
Any workers in the medical line should be in some ways be mindful of the
sensitiveness of the people they may faced everyday. I hope authorities can
look into giving the proper training into that."""
The Prime Minister had been in the past, trying hard, calling for
Singaporeans to become more gracious when dealing with others. Every
hospital staff, from the no. 1 man on top, right to the last person, are
expected to show a certain level of compassion to people who seek help from
the hospital.
As in this incindent, surely somebody along the line, right from the
ambulance driver, the doctor treating Mr Lou, right to the hospital's
cashier, would have come to the question of "should this gentleman be
billed for the fact that he got himself cut when saving another person's
life?". If non of them have this thought ran across their minds during the
whole process, then I would say, they are not fit to work in the hospital
as medical providers. Its a total shame to the medical society, and to
Singapore as a whole.
cantstandthem
yylee111
Yesterday, 11:54 AM
asiaslider, please don't typecast me into any category of mentality. I was
merely suggesting a possibility of why things happened in the way that they
did. You are typical of the mentality of assuming everything should happen
in the way that fits your way or thinking. Were you there when all these
happened? Why do make early presumptions?
NELNELNEL
Yesterday, 12:22 PM
Assumptions left , right and centre. Plenty.
NELNELNEL
madhouse
Yesterday, 12:51 PM
The authorities need to be ashamed of themselves. Somehow someone did not
bring his brains to work , or have left it at home.
The decision to charge go against the call of SM Goh wanting Singaporeans
to be a more gracious society...
The government set the tone as to what kind of society we want to become :-
It does not pay to be kind or gracious if you can't afford it... that's the
message I get after reading this article.
madhouse
richfan
Yesterday, 01:38 PM
This is ridiculous...
"two fire engines, two support vehicles and an ambulance" were at the
scene, couldn't they treat him?
What if there's a terrorist attack and thousands of victims are sent to the
hospital... I guess they better remember to bring their credit cards...
Singapore -- Great hardware, horrible software.
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ericcampione
Yesterday, 01:49 PM
Bureaucracy, protocols and a society not brought up to think out of the
box. Everyone do their bit and then pass on. This is the result.
ericcampione
Jousterr
Yesterday, 01:57 PM
Same old suspects exercising their RTBS giving free expression a bad name -
AGAIN! Calculators harp on the $90 and how expensive restructured hospital
costs are - isn't everything supposed to reflect 1980s value? Others jockey
on the bandwagon to attack - you guessed it - the 'bad old system' blaming
robotised rescue/medical personnel for not processing a waiver of charges
incurred saving a life.
I'd like to pay less too but how high/low is that fee - IN CONTEXT
REALISTICALLY - relative to nations of equivalent modernity/quality of
life? I wouldn't know without that comparison whether to praise or condemn
pricing.
A few bigots seize the opportunity to question the worth of saving a non-
local as if locals were the master race deserving better! And at least one
suggested punishing the 'suicider' - no sympathies/celebration allowed for
someone rescued from her own tragedy?
I agree that hospitals need to charge for services FIRST before assessing a
waiver based on altruistic, PR or whatever combos of grounds. But someone
senior had to take initiative - once understanding the circumstances of
that patient - to effect an assessment of waiver. I was once waived
consultation after complaining to the CEO about messed up appointment dates
in Tan Tock Seng Hospital.
However, a contract debt collector later demanded payment which luckily
spared me when I produced the letter of waiver signed by the chief. By the
way, it's 'red TAPE' not 'red tapeS' as misspelled by the mistaught - as
you cannot count 'one red tape, two red tapes' in this usage.
In a Hollywood movie - or reality in a spontaneous/feeling society? - a
senior nurse in the ward, if informed, would have passed the hat around to
reimburse the rescuer. Would calculators withdraw their curses had the
rescuer been known to be filthy rich - or later rewarded handsomely by
relatives of the one rescued?
Lou, the rescuer, probably wouldn't have been as materially calculative -
having risked his LIFE for nothing other than to want to save a stranger,
escaping only with cuts. I'm glad there are STILL those like him - unlike
the dumb calculators and whiners unabashedly conspicuous Singaporeanly - to
testify that better humans exist outside of self-absorbed those societies
like ours misraise. No thanks to misparenting and miseducating ONLY for
status and material acquisition/competition and little else.
It takes one Dutchman to shame countless Singaporeans?
Jousterr
bumibumi
Yesterday, 02:39 PM
and Jousterr is the supreme whiner who only knows how to criticize others
with nothing to contribute, nothing to do, and speculating pointlessly and
endlessly what other motives other forumers might have to enter their
comment in this space...............
bumibumi
sunny01sg
Yesterday, 02:47 PM
We are urged to be gracious and kind and helpful to their neighbours. But
we have these institutions that is totally oblivious. How can SGH aspire to
be a "world class" hospital when it can't even make a difference on such a
straight forward issue? how sad that one has to pay to do charity
sunny01sg
bumibumi
Yesterday, 02:50 PM
to be fair, SGH (or any hospital, clinics etc) runs the risk of giving free
treatment to any foreigner that walks in and claimed to be some good
samaritan.....as someone pointed out, couldn't the ambulance & SCDF people
do anything to verify and confirm ?
bumibumi
dragonovic93
Yesterday, 03:06 PM
If SCDF and ambulance personnel cannot treat the cuts on Mr Lou's hands and
feet, what bloody good are these people at the scene for ??????
dragonovic93
gemini58
Yesterday, 03:17 PM
he received treatment and was charged accordingly. perhaps he should
receive commendations from either SPF, singapore kindness movement or the
life guard assosciation.
dragonovic93
Yesterday, 03:18 PM
Many a time, it was reported in the media, the 'staging' of a terrorist
attack or natural disasters with 'fanciful' scenery of injured people being
rendered medical help.
So all this is bloody crap! We saw how Mr Lou was 'treated'-simply send him
to the hospital eventhough it was obvious (the picture of him smiling and
sitting in an ambulance) that his cuts could have been treated at the
scene.
SCDF, please stop all your propaganda and stop giving us a false sense of
security that you are always ever ready to rush to an accident/disaster
scene to provide immediate medical aid.
dragonovic93
libra168
Yesterday, 03:28 PM
There should be some flexibility when it's so cleared that he saved a life
that we should waived all charges and not made him pay for his heroism.I
cannot imagine this is Singapore?
libra168
niederanven
Yesterday, 03:33 PM
$90 + 1 brave tourist that's how much it takes to show the insensitive and
robotic attitude of the hospitals in Singapore .
Definitely it is a 'no money no talk' work code in a place where lives are
supposed to be saved and compassion should be king .
niederanven
libra168
Yesterday, 03:36 PM
We should award him with free tickets n hotels back to Singapore for his
bravery.
libra168
wychan188
Yesterday, 04:12 PM
Comes on guys! Whoever in the hospital makes the decision to waive charges
for this hero will be sacked the very next day for not FOLLOWING THE RULES.
This is Singapore... FOLLOW THE RULES...
wychan188
unewolke
Yesterday, 04:40 PM
no policy cannot waive - NUTS!
unewolke
coffeeshoptalk
Yesterday, 05:25 PM
it was an act of his virtue. let's not commercialse it. the world will be
terrible place to live in if all acts of kindness is measured by rewards.
coffeeshoptalk
joannlow
Yesterday, 05:37 PM
This just shows how ungracious our society is! As a Singaporean, I must say
we really lack very much in social graces. What is $90 to SGH, can easily
waived it for such a brave act!
joannlow
rocky_pang
Yesterday, 05:47 PM
I wonder if there are any preceding cases of similar context. The event is
not really so extraordinary or unique in nature such that hospitals or the
relevant authorities are unable to resolve this issue amicably (I will
probably expect the problem to arise from the fact that the samaritan is
not a local, which means that in event of sustaining more serious injuries,
the hospitalization costs will even not be subsidized).
rocky_pang
Eagle2004
Yesterday, 06:59 PM
The police & Civil Defence confirmed that an ambulance, 2 fire engines & 2
support vehicles were at the Esplanade. I find it incredible that the
paramedics could not even treat the cuts on Filip Lou's feet at the scene!
Why was there a need to ferry our hero all the way back to SGH to treat a
few cuts? This is indeed a PR disaster for S'pore General Hospital.
fishface
Yesterday, 07:31 PM
asiaslider,
You said, "And no word if the woman he saved is a Singaporean..next time I
suggest that all tourists not lend a hand..would it have been better to let
her drown.........."
Have you read the news?
Quote: "When information technology executive Filip Lou, 34, saw a
Caucasian woman leap into the waters near the Merlion statue that evening,
he stripped down to his briefs and jumped in after her." Unquote.
You are showing off to everyone that you are of extremely poor upbringing.
fishface
wwwidss
Yesterday, 07:44 PM
Efficient bureaucracies are double-edged swords. On the one hand, they
ensure work flows smoothly, and is 100% transparent. On the other hand,
they're generally bad in handling exceptional cases like this, because
they're not designed to settle exceptional cases immediately. And this was
an exceptional case.
Mr Lou was certainly right in pointing out the lady behind the counter was
doing her job. Her insistence on going by the book is precisely what keeps
the records clean and neat, and free of fraud/corruption. I, however, think
he was wrong in expressing disappointment so quickly. Had he paid up first,
then made his case in writing later, I am sure he would have gotten a
refund. It was unfair of him to expect the hospital to ascertain he indeed
sustained those injuries while helping someone else that very night. After
all, the police hadn't finished their investigations yet. It could very
well have been that Mr Lou jumped into the river with the girl. It
obviously turns out that he did not, but SGH staff would not have known
conclusively that night the exact reasons for his injuries.
A larger issue, however, is the general expectation that heroic behaviour
deserves immediate appreciation. Heroic behaviour is undoubtedly
commendable, but appreciation should not be taken to be a guaranteed right.
In fact, it should be secondary, for doing a good deed and helping someone
else is reward enough.
Sure, if treatment had cost $1000, and he was unable to foot that bill, Mr
Lou would not be faulted for publicising his plight. And I am sure
Singaporeans would readinly come forth with assistance, as they have in the
past. But the fact of the matter is, Mr Lou could afford the bill. If
that's the cost of being a decent person, helping a fellow human at his or
her time of need, then that's one we have to pay.
So much in the world has already been reduced to dollars and cents. But
let's offer help unconditionally, can't we?
wwwidss
Eagle2004
Yesterday, 07:44 PM
I am sure that if Filip Lou, was brought to Gleneagles or Mount Elizabeth
Hospital, the nursing staff at the A & E would have contacted the Corporate
Communications or Marketing departments, who would have sent a manager down
to greet our hero. Mr Lou would have been treated like a VIP - with tender
loving care - & have all charges waived. The media would then be contacted
to reassure all S'poreans that this hero was well looked after & had all
charges magnanimously waived by ParkwayHealth!
Eagle2004
DetailsPlease
Yesterday, 08:18 PM
Pandemic cluelessness on the part of SPH.
For such bravery and chivalry, no one at the front-desk administrating
counters of SPH, knowing that the man was a foreigner on business travel
for a few days, had a single clue to just treat his wounds and cuts, thank
him, and let him go about his own business. Instead, the only clue on the
minds of the front-desk administrators of SPH was how he was going to pay
for his medical treatment. “Sir … how you pay ahh… credit card or NETS…
??”
The good people at SPH, whom we trust to save our lives in medical
emergencies, have evolved into a class of pandemic clueless automatons with
no idea/no clue of what it means, ironically in the medical industry, to
save a life in an emergency. These same automatons also serve you and
I.This is the state of Singapore’s medical, and social, affairs today.
DetailsPlease
golden88
Yesterday, 08:53 PM
Well, Mr. Lou .... there is really nothing to worry ..... I bet my last
dollars ...... u finally did get your S$90/- .......
Good show!!!
golden88
begyourpardon
Yesterday, 09:11 PM
The SGH spokesperson ought to be fired to making that kind of remark to the
press: We are unable to waive the fee. He or she makes the hospital and
Singapore look bad !!. The least he/she could do was to say something to
thank the man and say that the hospital will certainly consider to waive
fee.
This is really bad public relation for SGH and Singapore. Making a big fuss
over $90!! I just cannot believe what a cheapskate SGH is! Incredible ! I
feel like going down to SGH and pay the $90 on behalf on that man.
Where is our compassion ? This is the cheapest way to gain huge publicity
and yet, SGH blew it, big time!!
begyourpardon
Eagle2004
Yesterday, 09:30 PM
ST can do more to dispel some of the misconceptions about private
healthcare being always more expensive than public healthcare in S'pore.
This is especially true for patients who are not eligible for subsidies.
Do you know that some patients have discovered that they ended up paying
more for similar treatment at SGH than at Gleneagles or Mount Elizabeth
Hospitals?
Read this ST Forum letter from Mr Wong Loong Kin, Chief Financial Officer
of Singapore General Hospital, & you will realise that he has all but
admitted that treatment there does not differ much from S'pore's 2 premier
private hospitals!
Aug 4, 2007
"SGH fees are competitive"
I REFER to the letter, 'Same treatment cost more at SGH than Mt E' (ST, Aug
2), by Ms Leong Hui Lay.
The prices of SGH clinical services, including consultations,
investigations, procedures and therapy sessions, are competitive in
general, when compared to the other restructured and private institutions.
On an overall basis, the charges commensurate with the comprehensive range
and level of clinical expertise, advanced facilities and equipment
available at a tertiary hospital like SGH.
If Ms Leong requires further clarification, she could contact our Service
Quality Department on 6326-5350.
Wong Loong Kin
Chief Financial Officer
Singapore General Hospital
Eagle2004
Eagle2004
Yesterday, 09:33 PM
DetailsPlease
{Pandemic cluelessness on the part of SPH......For such bravery and
chivalry, no one at the front-desk administrating counters of SPH, knowing
that the man was a foreigner on business travel for a few days, had a
single clue to just treat his wounds and cuts, thank him, and let him go
about his own business. Instead, the only clue on the minds of the front-
desk administrators of SPH was how he was going to pay for his medical
treatment........The good people at SPH, whom we trust to save our lives in
medical emergencies, have evolved into a class of pandemic clueless
automatons with no idea/no clue of what it means, ironically in the medical
industry, to save a life in an emergency}
How did S'pore Press Holdings (SPH) get dragged into this sorry episode?
Eagle2004
bumibumi
Yesterday, 09:41 PM
comparing S$90 with S$58,000,000,000
bumibumi
Eagle2004
Yesterday, 10:02 PM
Filip Lou got his $90 back after all!
However, the refund did not come from SGH, but a generous & anonymous good
samaritan, who rolled up at the hospital early this morning to hand over
the money.
http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_340022.html
wantanmeen
Today, 06:12 AM
Lack of commonsense and heart by a healthcare organisation. And a crying
shame of what we are.
Lou though a foreigner is a hero and we apologise for the treatment that
you receive. Sometimes these people don't use their head.
wantanmeen
singaporean02
Today, 07:44 AM
Hope our government can follow up this Healthy Wealth for our nation and
citizens better at http://theinnozablog.blogspot.com
DEHYDRATION - INFLAMMATION - CANCER
D-I-C is like gasoline on fire in the patient's body.
The world's most common (but not normal) cancers - colon cancer, stomach
cancer, esophageal cancer, lung cancer, liver cancer, breast cancer,
cervical cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, and pancreatic cancer,
etc cancer - have all been linked to inflammation. And all inflammations
have all been linked to chronic dehydration for a prolonged period, unaware
and unwarned.
Not all cases of inflammation cause cancer, and not all cancers are
affected by inflammation. But with the right set of circumstances,
inflammation can be volatile.
All cases of inflammation are caused by dehydration of the cells.
Sometimes inflammation directly causes cancer, like the match stick that
starts the fire. In other cases, inflammation causes an already established
cancer to grow more and spread more, which is more like pouring or feeding
'gasoline' on cancer's flame. At the same time, the body immune system can
attack and eliminate small cancers as though they were foreign invaders. In
aerospace industry, Foreign Object Damage (FOD)is a killer for human lives.
HOW CANCER STARTS
WHEN A PERSON RECEIVES A DIAGNOSIS OF CANCER, IT IS ALWAYS AN UNPLEASANT
SURPRISE. This cancer seems to pop up out of the blue, unpredictable,
frightening, and devastating. But not anymore, once you understand the
etiology of cancer. Urgent help, go to www.cacare.com
If it were possible to watch the inner working of the human body, we would
see that cancer develops slowly. It takes many years, possibly decades,
before the cancer creates enough symptoms so that the disease cannot be
ignored.
Where does cancer come from in the first place?
Many people are surprised to learn that cancer starts from one's normal
body cells.
Cancer development occurs in three(3) main stages:-
1. First, in the initiation stage, something happens to change normal cells
into precancerous cells. That is dehydration at cellular level.
Actually, many things must happen - there is usually no single event that
causes a good healthy cell to turn 'bad'. We scientists generally agree
that a cell may undergo ten or more mutations before it becomes capable of
progressing to cancer.
Cells can mutate for a number of reasons, including chronic irritation and
inflammation (chronic dehydration can cause them), exposure to toxic
chemicals, assault by a virus, damage from environmental factors such as
the sun ultraviolet radiation, or simply aging.
For example, cells in the lungs can mutate in response both to the
chemicals in cigarette smoke and to the irritation and inflammation caused
by the presence of the smoke alone. (This is why the so-called herbal
cigarettes are not safe today. Smoke of any kind is an irritant that can
cause cellular changes.) Whether a particular smoker will be one of the
unfortunate ones to develop lung cancer depends in part on genetics, but
also on the numbers of years and quantity of cigarettes that parson smoked.
The longer and stronger the assault, the longer the inflammation lasts, the
greater the likelihood that cells will mutate.
2. A mutated cell, however, isn't necessarily dangerous. It can be reversed
if one change one's present lifestyle and diet and increase water intake,
daily. All of us have mutated cells in our bodies, but we don't all have
cancer. Once a cell has mutated enough to become precancerous, it can sit
harmlessly in the human body for years until a stimulus comes along (by
design, of course) to push the cell into malignancy.
During this second stage of cancer development, called promotion, the cell
begins multiplying and starts the process of becoming a tumor. This blogger
is researching exactly what causes the cell to become activated in every
case of cancer, but scientists do know that additional assault by the same
factors that first caused cellular mutation can also cause cancer
promotion. Of course, without denial, that's just a simple common sense. No
need to be a scientists to figure that out. So continuing to smoke after
cells in the lungs mutate can be enough to turn the cells from passive and
harmless to active and cancerous.
Inflammation is often involved in cancer promotion. So , the logical course
to take, is to increase one's own water intake and change one's diet
completely.
For example, heartburn is caused when the lining of the esophagus is burned
by backed-up flow stomach acids. For most people, this is a painful but
minor inconvenience. Yet, this is the early warning sign of water
deficiency in one's daily life style. Unless water intake is taken care of
this pattern will lead to chronic dehydration, then inflammation, then more
active mutation of cells. But for some people, the damage and inflammation
is so severe that they develop precancerous mutations in the cells lining
the esophagus, a condition called Barrett's esophagus. At this point,
cancer has been initiated (the first stage of cancer development). If
irritation continues, the chemicals released by the human body during
inflammation can push the cells into the second stage, cancer promotion,
when the precancerous cells become active and malignant. In this case,
inflammation acts as the proverbial 'match stick' that lights the 'fire' of
cancer, the actual cause of cancer. Water can extinguish 'fire'. If
inflammation is avoided, cancer is avoided.
3. The third stage of cancer development is called progression, when cancer
cells begin multiplying and spreading and generally become uncontrollable
by normal body defenses. Why? Due to the altered genetic code of these
mutated cells.
Early in the development of cancer, when a mutated cell is pushed into
malignancy and becomes a cancer cell, it is sometimes still possible for
the human body to control or eliminate the cancer through many of the same
immune system and inflammation .....
singaporean02
cantstandthem
Today, 07:49 AM
"""Sure, if treatment had cost $1000, and he was unable to foot that bill,
Mr Lou would not be faulted for publicising his plight. And I am sure
Singaporeans would readinly come forth with assistance, as they have in the
past. But the fact of the matter is, Mr Lou could afford the bill. If
that's the cost of being a decent person, helping a fellow human at his or
her time of need, then that's one we have to pay. """ by wwwidss
Hello wwwidss, are you on the same frequency or not ?? This discussion is
not about whether Mr Lou can or cannot afford to pay for the $90. People
are debating whether in such circumstance, should SGH still make Mr Lou pay
for the $90. This debate is about "NEED TO PAY $90 TO SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE",
whether the SGH is conducting its business without any heart and
compassion.
cantstandthem
SeenItAll
Today, 08:03 AM
They are trying to educate the public of the important messages of "There
is no free lunch" and "We treat all equally".
So the next time you want to be a hero, think of the money first - that's
the conclusion.
SeenItAll
cantstandthem
Today, 08:20 AM
"""The SGH spokesperson ought to be fired to making that kind of remark to
the press: We are unable to waive the fee. He or she makes the hospital and
Singapore look bad !!. The least he/she could do was to say something to
thank the man and say that the hospital will certainly consider to waive
fee.
This is really bad public relation for SGH and Singapore. Making a big fuss
over $90!! I just cannot believe what a cheapskate SGH is! Incredible ! I
feel like going down to SGH and pay the $90 on behalf on that man.
Where is our compassion ? This is the cheapest way to gain huge publicity
and yet, SGH blew it, big time!!""" by begyour pardon
I read from last night's Wan Bao that the journalist actually went to
interview a few hospitals in Singapore to find out if they will waive the
charges for cases similar Mr Lou's. To my surprise, most hospitals replied
that they WILL NOT WAIVE the medical charges in similar cases. With the
only exception of Alexandra Hospital, which replied that they would
probably have waived the charges on Mr Lou in such cases.
Oh my god, what has the medical service providers become of nowadays ?? Is
making money the only thing these hospitals have in their mind that
humanity and compassion have been totally swept under the carpets??
If this is what the mordern medical society is all about, why is the
authority appealling to the public for blood donation ? Why are there
charity events every now and then, when even the medical service providers
are adopting the "no money no talk" policy.
To those authorities which run the above hospitals (except Alexandra), you
are not only a shame to the medical society, you have brought shame and
disgrace to the medical services and mankind. You have just cast a bad name
and brought shame and disgrace to Singapore.
cantstandthem
kenaspammed
Today, 08:46 AM
Eagle2004
SGH certainly SOUNDS like those China hospitals - pay first before I treat
you - even if it is life threatening
Singapore truly is learning from China......
At least Mongolian doctors are not that expensive !
kenaspammed
kenaspammed
Today, 08:48 AM
wantanmeen
if we can suggest to put our old folks to rot in JB, what cannot be ?
btw : the heaviest noodle in the world is wantanmeen : it weighs one tonne!
kenaspammed
sharlynrj
Today, 08:50 AM
He is indeed a hero. Lack of understanding by the hospital.
If I understand it corectly, he could have told them thus is my addres,
bill and walked out. True. But he was a gentleman.
Absolutely disgusting about the Straits times that THEY should have been
the one to reimburse the man by leading the way.
Since 1845, thus newspaper has taken from the people and not given anything
back.
They should have reported the news as thet did but added, WE the ST were on
the case to reimburse the man. Sad.
Judith Tan missed a great opportunity. She should have forced her Ed to
come foward with the cash.
sharlynrj
citylights
Today, 09:04 AM
Obviously SGH has no regard for Singapore international reputation, or the
tourism industry. Let's show a bit of common sense.
citylights
Eagle2004
Today, 09:15 AM
kenaspammed
{SGH certainly SOUNDS like those China hospitals - pay first before I treat
you - even if it is life threatening. Singapore truly is learning from
China......}
Healthcare has come to this.
Do you know that in America, when a patient is wheeled into the A & E Dept
of a hospital, the first thing he (or his companion) will be asked is how
he is going to pay for his treatment, or if he has a valid insurance policy
or credit card on him?
singaporeboleh1508
Today, 09:29 AM
The finer things and quality of life have not been emphasised in Singapore
as we are still living in the past; of fighting economic poverty and other
struggles. Its about time to stress on compassion, filial piety ( not to
chuck our parents to another country, even though the costs are high in
Singapore ) and that even though life is fragile and relatively short,we
are not not just focusing on money and more money.
singaporeboleh1508
davidgoh1
Today, 09:52 AM
SCDF should be responsible for this incident.
With such a un-flexible mind set, no initative at all.
Singapean shame of you!!
Is this the proof of sucess for our education system???
davidgoh1
kunshou
Today, 10:01 AM
Judging from the comments from SGH, apparently, people running SGH are
still adamant about the fees collected. Hmm ... Is the economy really
hitting the hospital so bad that, regardless how small the amount, SGH
still insists on collecting so that, at the end of the year, they remain
"profitable" and can thus pay for the high salaries of its management?
Sad to read comments by Eagle2004. So now doctors actually place $$$ ahead
of lives to be saved huh?
kunshou
Commandoleaderfirstclass
Today, 11:01 AM
Eagle2004 - "Do you know that in America, when a patient is wheeled into
the A & E Dept of a hospital, the first thing he (or his companion) will be
asked is how he is going to pay for his treatment, or if he has a valid
insurance policy or credit card on him?"
Eagle is telling the truth as it is. I know because I rushed a stupid
friend of mine to the ER in a Los Angeles hospital and that was what the
admin staff asked: "Show me the patient's medical insurance. No, medical
insurance, please pay cash at the cashier station and come back with the
receipt and we will attend to your friend’s medical needs."
My stupid friend had stomach age because he swallowed a flu medication (3
times a day) in a gulp. And I paid US$400 before even a nurse would touch
him.
Commandoleaderfirstclass
Commandoleaderfirstclass
Today, 11:18 AM
But like all systems there are safety valves in place too. An under-grad
from Malaysia studying at the UCLA, staying in the same complex as I was
fell ill and was hospitalized at the LA Community Hospital for 2 weeks and
her bill came to US$9,000.
With documentary and other support from the university she wrote to the
City of Los Angeles for help and it intervened on her behalf and the end of
the day she did not have pay a single dollar.
Commandoleaderfirstclass
unewolke
Today, 11:35 AM
commander, all international students in the US are obliged to buy health
insurance.
unewolke
Jousterr
Today, 11:59 AM
wwwidss 07:44 & coffeeshoptalk 05:25 seem to be the only sensible posters
on this thread. Frustrated idealists in a lynch-mob aren't
reasoning/debating! They're only baring/gnashing their teeth at everyone
and everything 'up there/'out there' including the kitchen sink -
leveraging on this incident/excuse.
One poster couldn't/hadn't even read the news straight about the
'suicider's nationality before exercising his RTBS while another mistook
SPH for SGH throughout his post!!!
I agree that the price we pay for a Germanic orderliness and efficiency
turns many bureaucratic and inorganic re tangential events. The opposite -
where sentiment overrides service equity and efficiency - would attract
less attacks/complaints? There are good people trapped in regimented
procedures but REACHING THE RIGHT INDIVIDUAL still counts.
Let me re-iterate that at least a decade back, the Tan Tock Seng CEO I
wrote to waived my consultation fee - when most others would have merely
apologised - as her staff had fumbled my appointment dates that
inconvenienced me greatly. But contract debt-collectors came a-calling
months later - luckily I retained the CEO's letter of waiver to prove it.
It wasn't much money then but the gesture of contrition counted!
Much as I can't fully blame the CEO for the debt-collection blunder by her
billing staff, I couldn't blame those junior for not having the power to
compensate me over the appointments problem - imprimis.
However, the CEO of SGH failed to show heart/PR - by not verifying Mr Lou's
deservingness from police and publicising reimbursement out of her/his own
pocket! Probably to not encourage personal appeals of waiver from desperate
or exploitative patients? Not being in her/his exact shoes, we wouldn't
understand would we? I wouldn't want to paint this CEO as a monster just
because my ideals and frustrations demand blood.
SCDF crew probably are trained/obeyed orders to render first aid and rush
the injured to SGH's A&E - the nearest in this case. The fixed $90 A&E fee
includes blood tests, x-rays, tetanus shots or whatever - priced high to
discourage frivolous misuse of the A&E as an outpatient clinic by dumb
hypochondriacs/locals who incur opportunity costs for those in REAL dire
need of emergency treatment.
Frustrated posters should have quietly reimbursed Mr Lou via the hospital -
as someone magnanimous already did - instead of scream bloody murder at the
system and everyone else, exempting their passive selves, behind their
tight-fisted keyboards.
If you feel so strongly, go do a good deed if not save a life or compensate
do-gooders - stop the blame game that excuses lazy cowards from taking
risks and putting money where their mouths are!
Jousterr
Jousterr
Today, 12:10 PM
I doubt that those altruistic/heroic like Mr Lou are keyboard heroes
cursing everyone and everything to divert attention/excuse themselves from
lazy cowardice and stinginess. If you can't/won't do, curse?
Jousterr
equinox02
Today, 12:23 PM
It's such a terrible SHAME! World class facility, 3rd class PR, zero for
compassion. Having made a PR boo-boo, the SGH spokesperson reiterated that
they will not waive charges. Even if rules cannot be bent, there are more
subtle and nicer ways of saying "No" rather than hiding behind rules. SGH
ought to look for a new spokesperson who has more tact and initiative. And
why are the big shots in SGH keeping quiet? To protect your own pockets?
I'm sure anyone of you could have easily made a gracious gesture of paying
for Mr Lou or making a decision to waive the charges. Goes to show the
underlying mentality of the people on the organisation.
And so much for promoting a gracious society Mr Prime Minister. This is a
fine example of a negative demo (like they always have in the army). We are
light years away from it.
To Mr Lou, thank you very much for helping and you have been very
understanding.
equinox02
Commandoleaderfirstclass
Today, 01:03 PM
unewolke - "commander, all international students in the US are obliged to
buy health insurance."
Well I was not aware of this fact. I didn't study there, I was working
there.
And not really knowing here as well, I just listened while I waited for me
laundry to dry at the apartment complex’s laundry room.
Wonder why did she need that waiver?
Or maybe the amount $9k was the amount that exceeded coverage?
Jousterr
Today, 01:04 PM
oXO2 12:23 ~ Please reflect as you accuse/blame. Despite decades-old
continuing efforts to promote civility if not altruism - our compassion
STILL seems more covert than overt, DECEPTIVELY? Imagine if we hadn't had
those campaigns to sensitise us or at least make us aware/think of others'
rights/needs that parents seem to FAIL doing - we'd be in the pits of
callousness, right?
What goes around comes back to bite our butts. Service beneficiaries like
us seldom (rarely?) express appreciation for systems and individual efforts
service-givers make - if we notice improvements in the first place, over
time. Our motto seems to be : 'We demand better but won't thank and
encourage - as you're already paid'.
Over time, if you were a service-giver taken for granted and mis-
appreciated, if not blamed/abused at the slightest excuse - would you be
sympathetic to INGRATES that all customers/patients seem to be, let alone
want to bend over backwards to compensate for occasionally inconveniencing
them?
Appreciation breeds/encourages appreciation - ditto for unfriendliness and
disparagement. Positives attract each other - so do negativities. Fixating
on gloom and doom at every hiccup - discounting improvements even if
noticed - WON'T promote better service, sentiment, empathies or spontaneity
from providers, would it?
We deserve the outcomes of how much we disrespect/respect others - however
'lowly' their service/occupational status in our jaundiced/imperious eyes.
Jousterr
Commandoleaderfirstclass
Today, 01:13 PM
Doctors took an oath to save lives and nurses are there to assist.
Then bean counters and bottom-line watchers came along to make SGH looks
like a heartless monster.
Commandoleaderfirstclass
kenaspammed
Today, 01:22 PM
times are bad, every cent count.
more of 90 will make it to 58b
kenaspammed
Commandoleaderfirstclass
Today, 01:30 PM
New York, January 2007, a 50-year old construction worker dived into the
train tracks to save the life of a 19-year student who fell in just as a
train approached.
He was immediately hailed as a hero and was invited to almost every talk
show in town. Because he was poor, these show producers not only paid for
the appearance, he was also also showered with all kinds of gifts.
This is how a hero should be treated.
You don’t ask him to pay? Not $90, not even $9.
Commandoleaderfirstclass
kanbaozhi
Today, 02:43 PM
Something's wrong somewhere. I would understand if a junior SGH staff
followed the letter of the policy and refused to budge over the $90. But
even after the news was reported in the papers yesterday, SGH still took
the $90 from an anonymous samaritan. Couldn't someone in the senior ranks
have treated this as a special case and waived the $90? Couldn't the SGH
CEO pay this from his own pocket?(after all, what's 90 bucks?) The man
saved a life for crying out loud!
kanbaozhi
sharlynrj
Today, 02:45 PM
It is so sad that as a society that when push comes to shove, it all comes
down to money.
They say in America, if you see a man on the ground in the street, you
hesitate to help him for fear of being sued if heaven forbid you try to
move him and save him etc.
Here they ask you to cough up at the hospital after you have saved someones
life.
SHAME... SHAME.... SHAME.
Even if the hospital authorities realized what happened after the event,
they should have issued an immediate refund to the hero.
It's simply a case of bureaucracy gone berserk.
And SHAME TO ST.
In reporting the news the ST should have been the FIRST to offer a refund
with the story.
(Some may remember Sandra Davies "award winning story" that the ST paid
$850 for a bonus diploma for her beagle)
So it appears beagles are worth more than human beings.
Even heroes too.
sharlynrj
Jousterr
Today, 02:50 PM
Com 01:30 ~ Is this why blameful Singaporeans are cursingly uncomfortable
with the cultural status-quo - stuck between East Asian feudal
values/conservatism and Hollywood's 'feel good/rah-rah' ideals? How to
reconcile China's paraded 'peasant heroes' propaganda for the CCP - even if
the hero's genuine - with the unashamed 'Westernised' celebration of heroes
by exploitative/capitalist media owners?
Would doing the latter in the best American tradition - that movies
exemplify - discomfort those with heartlander/Confucian prissiness, not
necessarily older or less educated, who feel modesty should override
triumphalism even if over one's own fears/kiasuism?
Don't we need to outgrow the 'tall poppy' syndrome (no one should stand out
immodestly pay-wise or whatever) and 'would others think me a show off'
kiasuness first? Are Singaporeans raised magnanimous enough to
applaud/encourage others' success over their own or ENVY & DISPARAGE to
assuage personal insecurities?
Don't many feel simplistically that if they don't 'win', they MUST 'lose'
and vice versa? Condemning them to bitterness when others seem to 'win'
over their 'loss' - never appreciating redeeming/encouraging concepts like
'win-win' derived/conceptualised un-Easternly.
Is the disgruntlement posters impulsively betray - blamed on 'father knows
best' authorities - really justifiable or arise mainly from
culturalised/negativised worldviews that self-victimise some (many?)
denying self-accountability?
Jousterr
faithlessstone
Today, 02:50 PM
I concur with kanbaozhi. Something is VERY wrong with the PR direction of
SGH.
The first non-waiver is understandable, as a junior desk-bound staff will
not be able to make the decision. After the news hit the media, SGH still
insisted that it will not waive the money. This means that either the
senior staff of SGH do not read newspaper, or the PR people/company are so
stupid that they failed to see this as a PR disaster in the making.
A top-rated PR company can charge more than $10,000 a month just for
retainer. Each fax they sent will cost you $30. So this is a real PR error
for SGH. It will be most interesting to see what will happen in the next
few days. If SGH still stick to its guns, then it will slide from a PR
disaster to an absolute stupidity.
And I am sure this story will circulate worldwide, bringing disgrace to
Singapore. Talk about not being about to think out of the box...
faithlessstone
bumibumi
Today, 02:51 PM
when ST paid $850 for a bogus diploma, recession wasn't so bad yet......
bumibumi
Singapore_born
Today, 04:52 PM
hmm.. I guess the next time anyone wants to save anybody, they should
asked, "YOU pay my hospital bill okay!"
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